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Learning To Talk To Each Other & Deepening Relationships

By Kathy Gottberg
Filed under: Aware, Meaningful

A weekly potluck on our street.

One of my intentions for 2024 is to enhance, enlarge and deepen the relationships in my life.  That is the main reason why I haven’t been writing as much. And while satisfying that urge for community sounds relatively easy—and it can be in the right place at the right time—it does require time, effort and commitment.  So, I’m not sure if my intentions led me to the community of Rincon West RV Resort here in Tucson to “practice”, or if the community itself is helping me clarify what has become increasingly important in my life. But here are a few thoughts I have uncovered that might help those of you who believe they might benefit from something similar.

The front of our park model–approximately 600 feet plus a deck.

 

 

As I’ve explained in a few of my recent blog posts, about a year ago we started exploring Tucson and the concept of a “tiny home.”  These small homes called park models, can be found in RV parks around the country.  Technically an RV, (because they start out at less than 400 square feet and are potentially moveable,) they sit among typical RV’s (motor homes, trailers, etc.) inside designated parks. You can also add an additional room to the park model to expand it to almost 800 square feet if the RV Park allows it.

While park models do resemble small mobile homes in many ways, what makes them stand out is what they offer.  Because they are designed to attract a very mobile community (RVer’s themselves) the parks offer a huge number of amenities—at least part of the year.  Plus, the precise location of the park is often a big drawing card to whoever visits.

When Thom and I first visited Tucson, we explored many areas of the city.  After several visits we realized that we preferred being close to downtown near hundreds of events, services and restaurants. We also wanted to be near nature with hiking nearby. And a huge benefit was being next to the amazing Tucson Loop—a 135-mile paved and dedicated bike trail that surrounds the city.  Also high on the list was a ready-made community with friendly people and dozens of activities onsite.  We believe we found all that and more at Rincon West.

I explain all this because I think it is important to realize that if you want to grow relationships, it can be a big help to plant yourself in an area where you can find them.  We’ve now been living here for just over three months and in that time we have met hundreds of people. We have made quite a few close friends and know most of the people on our street by first name. There isn’t one day that goes by that we don’t pass by and share a few words or entire conversations—not to mention happy hours!  Every day of the week there are activities to participate in and because you can’t do it all, it takes time to decide which appeals to you most. And when you want quiet time, you can just stay home.  Behind it all is the opportunity to meet and connect with all sorts of potential new and interesting people whenever you want.

One of our discussion group meetings as we watch a TED Talk.

Plus, as I’ve written about before, Thom and I started a discussion group based upon TED Talks.  The Activity Department here at the park was very supportive and offered us a room.  To date we’ve had two gatherings with around 30 people each with great discussions around interesting ideas.  The hardest part of it is trying to remember everyone’s name!  Of course you can hold this sort of thing in any community, but what makes it so easy here in Rincon is they provide the room, the chairs, the audio visional equipment and as much advertising as you want.  Plus having it literally a 3-minute walk from our new home makes it very easy.

In alignment with my 2024 intention, the last two TED Talk discussions have focused on community and communication.  Between those two discussions and a book I happened to read, I believe my skills at connecting and relating to others is improving.  That book is How to Know a Person: the Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen by David Brooks.

Like most many of us, Brooks is concerned about the growing disconnection and loneliness in our country and all the problems that causes.  In fact, he calls this period “an emotional and relationship recession.”  He also believes that such loneliness “distorts reality” and creates a sense of hopelessness that leads to distrust.  From there we often lash out and are “meaner” to others.

Obviously, the causes behind this are complicated.  However, as our society becomes more and more fractured, we’ve lost what used to connect us in the past.  Most of us no longer belong to close knit families, social, civic or special interest clubs, or even churches.  And what is behind our disconnection?  According to Brooks we have forgotten how to talk to each other—in person.  We’ve slowly lost our ability to connect in kind and respectful ways.  We don’t see conversation modeled in most families, in schools, or in our “clubs.”  (Texting, email or even Zoom is not the same.)  And what we see on TV or social media is nearly the opposite. It’s one thing to say, “Be kind” or “be nice” but many people and especially younger ones are no longer being taught how.

As I said before, this issue is far more complicated although Brooks does his best to explain it in great depth.  What I walked away with was that the loneliness that a huge majority of our population feels is leading to more distrust and anger than most of us realize.  Yes, there are very complicated issues in our world right now that need attention—but again, Brooks seems convinced that one of our biggest problems is that we have forgotten how to see (and talk) with each other.

Brooks also believes that we all think we are better at communication than we actually are.  He states that only about 20% of the time are we accurately “reading each other” when we first get together. And with people we know well it’s only about 35%.   When we don’t take the time to listen, see, respect and understand others, we tend to jump to conclusions and slot other people in easy judgements.

A good example is how easy it is to almost instantly judge whether those we encounter are like us and belong on the right (righteous) side of any debate the minute that they say anything that we disagree or agree with. (Think politics?)  However, I recently read that most of us hold the same values as 80% of all other people.  But if you read the newspaper it seems like half the country is crazy and the other half (like me) are perfectly justified and sane.

Again, this is a complicated issue that deserves deeper dives.  I do recommend the book for anyone else who is interested in becoming a better communicator.  But more importantly for me, is that I have been given a great opportunity to practice some of these ideas in my current community.

Do I agree with everyone here in Rincon?  I doubt it.  And I doubt they agree with me on everything.  But rather than seeing others with adversarial eyes, I am doing my best to focus on seeing how we are alike rather than different.  I’m also doing my best to find and then see others who share similar interests as I do without a need to draw any lines in the sand about who is right and who is wrong.  No, I don’t hide my opinions if people ask directly.  But I believe that my choices and preferences do not wholly define me any more than they completely define anyone else.

I am also doing my best to form what Brooks calls, “aggressive friendships.”   He says, that, “…our happiness in life, as well as our health and fulfillment, is hugely dependent on our ability to be skillfully understanding of and considerate toward others.”  He says that a big part of the “bitterness and alienation in our country flows from the fact that our social skills are inadequate to the complex society we now live in.”

I have no idea if a community like Rincon would be beneficial to others like it is proving itself to be for me.  But I do believe it is helping me satisfy my current intentions.  I’m also convinced that we can all learn to be better communicators and grow in our ability to understand and be more considerate of each other.  We might not be able to bring peace to our entire world or cure some of the other problems we all know are lurking.  But I sense that the SMART thing to do is what Gandhi recommended and that is, “Be the change you want to see in the world.”

 

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  1. Debbie@RetiresGreat says

    March 14, 2024 at 4:26 PM

    Hi Kathy,

    Love this post and love you are enjoying your new community so much! Sounds like a great place to be especially in latter years. Lots of time to form new relationships and do things you really like.

    I couldn’t agree more that a lot of people have lost the art of having a simple face-to-face conversation. It’s sad really. They’ll struggle looking for something to say and look very uncomfortable. And, yes, I agree with David Brooks a lot have lost the ability to connect in kind and respectful ways.

    Everyone has their own opinions and that is how it should be. How boring would the world be if everyone agreed LOL? That being said, respect is often missing in some conversations when I hear them. And like you, if someone asks, they will get my true and honest opinion. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized, sometimes, tempering it a little bit helps keep the conversation from getting too heated.

    Social media and technology are great however I do believe they help to contribute to the feeling of disconnectedness everyone is started to embrace. You really don’t have to see or hear anyone if you don’t want o. And yes, as David said, as complex as society and the world is becoming I think we need to get back to being more social and connected.

    Thanks for sharing a new book idea, your thoughts and how things are going in your new community!!

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    • Kathy Gottberg says

      March 15, 2024 at 8:53 AM

      Hi Debbie! I’m glad you found value in this post–if nothing more than reminders about what you already know. My current focus of deepening and strengthening relationships is helping me be both a better communicator, and hopefully a better friend in the process. In a month the “season” will be over here so it will be interesting to see how that evolves as well. Thanks for staying interested! And I’m hoping to see you and Shannon later this summer. ~Kathy

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  2. Victorio says

    March 1, 2024 at 2:49 PM

    Hi Kathy,

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on deepening relationships. Your story about living in a retirement community is inspiring. It’s wonderful that you’ve been able to build strong connections with others and improve your communication skills.

    I agree that finding a community where you feel connected is important. It’s also important to be kind and understanding towards others. These qualities are essential for building and maintaining healthy relationships.

    I’m also interested in learning more about your discussion group based on TED Talks. It sounds like a great way to connect with others and learn new things.

    Thanks again for sharing your insights,

    Victorio

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  3. Karen Wolfson says

    March 1, 2024 at 1:36 PM

    Thanks for your reply, Kathy. Very helpful. Couple more questions:

    (1)Do you watch the Ted Talk as a group or individually at home and then come together to discuss? (My Women’s Interfaith group discusses a movie once a month – each watches the movie at home and then joins all for the discussion. I realize TedTalks are only about 20 minutes compared with a feature film of about 2 hours.)

    (2)At your convenience would you be wiling to send me the the group guidelines you use, and also a sample of the questions you created for one of your discussions?

    (3) How many are in your and Thom’s discussion groups?
    Thank you so much!
    Hugs to you both,
    Karen

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    • Kathy Gottberg says

      March 1, 2024 at 6:17 PM

      Hi Karen,

      Yes because the videos we picked are short we watch them in the group and ask that everyone arrive on time. so far no problem. And with about 30 people each time we’ve just asked them to separate into two groups and I’ve taken one group and Thom another. However, this next one I have a volunteer (a therapist) who has agreed to take a circle herself…we want to try groups of about 10 each. I’ll let you know how it goes :–)

      ~Kathy

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  4. Karen Wolfson says

    March 1, 2024 at 7:47 AM

    Kathy,
    This article is so timely! Although I’ve lived in this lovely 55+ community for almost 30 years (my husband and I bought our villa here in 1995. He passed in 2015.) Having just retired a little more than a year ago, I’m now finding I do have the time and inclination to get to know my wonderful neighbors. There’s a great sense of community among us, despite widely divergent views on political and social issues. I now realize I yearn for deeper conversations, so your Ted Talk discussion group sounds like a rich pace to start.

    My question is – how do you decide which Ted Talks will evoke deep and even lively discussion, without unduly “poking the bear” (i.e. triggering heated arguments on sensitive topics.)

    Also, do you provide basic guidelines for each discussion? Those are likely necessary – but probably should be fairly relaxed, since the participants aren’t interested in a structure that’s too rigorous.

    Thanks for sharing your relevant, down to earth wisdom via these blogs. I miss you and treasure the memories of our friendship.

    Karen

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    • Kathy Gottberg says

      March 1, 2024 at 12:00 PM

      Hi Karen!

      Nice to hear from you and glad you are enjoying more free time. I hope that it is all going well for you???

      And as far as our TED Talk Discussions, I just googled for talks that focused on improved communication and community and a BUNCH of links come up (you can google for any particular theme you want of course) and the two we watched were good. This was the last one and it was quite good:

      https://www.ted.com/talks/celeste_headlee_10_ways_to_have_a_better_conversation?autoplay=true&referrer=playlist-talks_to_support_a_healthy_debate

      None of them are very long so that helps. And yes, we came up with maybe 10 guidelines that we read at the beginning of the meetings. We mainly explain how that there should be no cross talk, etc. Everyone was very cooperative so we haven’t had a problem. I also come up with a list of questions to ask as we discuss each video. Thom doesn’t really need them and takes the conversation where we wants. But with my “circle” I like having an outline of what to talk about. It is relaxed as you say, but still with some structure.

      And thank you for saying you enjoy my posts. A lot of bloggers are quitting but I’m not willing to do that as long as I can just do it with no expectations! I miss you too but don’t see us going to Florida anytime soon. Let me know if you come this way. We would have SO MUCH to catch up on! Take care of yourself and stay healthy and happy! ~Kathy

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Kathy Gottberg is an author with seven published books and hundreds of articles covering dozens of topics in the last 35 years. Along with her books, her passion today is SMART Living 365 where she explores ideas and experiences that help to create a meaningful, sustainable, compassionate and rewarding life for herself and others. Beyond that, she lives with Thom, her best friend and soul mate in Tucson, AZ.

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